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  • I have a question. In Bloons Monkey City I am starting to use Dartling Guns more often and I wanted to know this. Which is more effective vs MOAB class bloons. Rocket Pods or the Laser cannon. I know the Death Ray is amazing verus almost everything and the B.A.D. system is powerful against non MOAB class bloons but waht would be more cost effecctive to take down a MOAB class bloon on any tile?

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    • According  to the wiki ray of doom can destroy a zomg by itself on space truckin so I guess since it's more consettrated power it s more effective against moab class

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    • I am asking about specifically the Laser cannon upgrade 3/x, not the Ray of Doom 4/x

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    • 3/x Laser Cannon from my testing seemed to kill a MOAB faster than a 3/x Hydro Pods As well as it seemed the Laser cannon did better for a rush of ceramics, probably because of the attack speed. Hydro pods should keep bloons at the entrance though, personally from experience possibly better than any laser cannons I get, I love getting B.A.Ds for all the bloons, and I even use 2 to 3 of them for MOABs along with Bloonchippers and Maulers of course, since the three streams spread the damage out on the groups instead of it being concentrated from the lasers. I personally will be going for the rockets first, if you want more concentrated power go for the lasers.

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    • pppddsd

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    • Laser has more popping power in general and is cheaper but against moabs they're the same.

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    • Ray of Doom>>>>>>>>>BADS Why? Ray of doom does one layer of damage PER FRAME. BTD5 runs constantly at 30 FPS, no matter if your computer runs at 250 or 25 FPS. To put that into perspective, a BADs, without it's ability, can take down a MOAB on monkey lane in 8 seconds. For a RoD, it's 3 seconds. The BADS fires three streams of rockets, which does a fair job at eliminating grouped bloons, but the RoD's 100 penetration power, plus its amazing firerate excels at pwning grouped bloons; as of Febuary 26, 2015, a RoD can defeat infinite grouped ceramics, while the BADs is quickly overwhelmed.

      As for the tier-3 upgrades, for early game the Hydra Rockets fare very well vs. most bloons, but the laser cannon is still superior when it comes to general popping power. If you like explosions, use Hydra rockets. If you want better, all-around popping power, use Laser cannon.

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    • 66.176.47.39 wrote: Laser has more popping power in general and is cheaper but against moabs they're the same.

      hahahahahahaha. No. The laser cannon possesses a amazing rate of fire, while the hydra rocket pods can't really do much VS a MOAB. Its' explosive damage is wasted on the other bloons, and generally, terrible. If you really need the grouped ceramic/MOAB popping power, use the rockets. For a more multi purpose tower, lasers are the way to do m8.

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    • I think it's really based on preference. Laser cannons are better if you want to damage bloons not directly beside

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    • The target. Rockets are good for bloons nearby the target. So, lasers are overall damage, rockets are concentrated damage in an area, like the front of the Bloon mob.

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    • 24.114.85.24 wrote: Ray of Doom>>>>>>>>>BADS Why? Ray of doom does one layer of damage PER FRAME. BTD5 runs constantly at 30 FPS, no matter if your computer runs at 250 or 25 FPS. To put that into perspective, a BADs, without it's ability, can take down a MOAB on monkey lane in 8 seconds. For a RoD, it's 3 seconds. The BADS fires three streams of rockets, which does a fair job at eliminating grouped bloons, but the RoD's 100 penetration power, plus its amazing firerate excels at pwning grouped bloons; as of Febuary 26, 2015, a RoD can defeat infinite grouped ceramics, while the BADs is quickly overwhelmed.

      As for the tier-3 upgrades, for early game the Hydra Rockets fare very well vs. most bloons, but the laser cannon is still superior when it comes to general popping power. If you like explosions, use Hydra rockets. If you want better, all-around popping power, use Laser cannon.

      There's no way a RoD can take down a MOAB in three seconds. It does one layer of damage per frame at a rate of thirty frames per second, making thirty layers per second. In six seconds it will do 180 layers of damage, while a MOAB requires 200 to be popped. Therefore a RoD takes six and 2/3 seconds to pop a MOAB. Back on topic, Hydra Rocket Pods can easily obliterate clusters of weak bloons and are some of the few explosions that can pop black and zebra bloons. Laser Cannon also cannot pop lead bloons.
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    • Why not both?

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    • But day of doom is much more powerful due to its near infinite penetration and bloom area denial system is very bad against rushes of any kind

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    • I meant RAY of doom

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    • And I meant bloon not bloom.. :(

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    • Why does hydra rockets and B.A.D.S even exist when the other path is so obviously superior

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    • Not to overstate the obvious, but BADS is much cheaper than ROD, and more effective than a laser cannon (3, 2) by itself. Consider it as an interim upgrade until you can afford the ROD.

      The ability itself is totally useless vs. MOAB class bloons. You're much better off using Monkey Ace's Ground Zero ability than BADS for emergency containment.

      BADS' main usefulness comes from the triple hydra rocket pods, which can contain a fair number of fast camos and/or ceramics scattered around a wide region.

      It's also useful in a few specific rounds (53, 62, 70, 79 and 82) where camos and MOABs come out at the same time, and the map involves more than one path. Here, the spread of the BADS would stop the camos better if you have to keep switching target paths.

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    • 66.176.47.39 wrote: Why does hydra rockets and B.A.D.S even exist when the other path is so obviously superior

      Because it isn't. BADS is really, really good if placed right next to the crater of Mount Magma, so its spread rockets can all hit the same BFB or destroy a ceramic rush. Also Laser Cannon can't pop leads.
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    • 66.176.47.39 wrote: Why does hydra rockets and B.A.D.S even exist when the other path is so obviously superior

      Because it isn't. Try using BADS in a place where the spread rockets can all hit a single MOAB-class bloon, doing 3X the damage.
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    • Sorry, are my post coming up at all?

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    • Hydra pods are for grouped bloons, lasers for single strong bloon. What can beat infinite 3/0 dartling guns? 1 lead. Yay!

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    • 3/2 has more popping power than 2/3 and my posts aren't coming up either

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    • 66.176.47.39 wrote:
      3/2 has more popping power than 2/3 and my posts aren't coming up either


      3/2 has 15 popping power, fires 50% faster and pierces bloons (22.5 popping power relativley compared to 2/3).

      2/3 has 40 popping power, does not pierce bloons but is an explosion. They both have their uses, but I prefer hydra rockets because to be honest laser cannon doesn't do too hot against moabs and ceramics anyways.

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    • i think they work well together

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    • If I use dartlings (which I barely ever do unless on BMC which i don't play anymore) then I usually get Laser Cannons, but I'd advise to do a 3/2 + 2/3 combo if possible - Hydra Rockets massacre the bloons so that lasers can get to the MOABs

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    • 114.76.24.53 wrote:

      24.114.85.24 wrote: Ray of Doom>>>>>>>>>BADS Why? Ray of doom does one layer of damage PER FRAME. BTD5 runs constantly at 30 FPS, no matter if your computer runs at 250 or 25 FPS. To put that into perspective, a BADs, without it's ability, can take down a MOAB on monkey lane in 8 seconds. For a RoD, it's 3 seconds. The BADS fires three streams of rockets, which does a fair job at eliminating grouped bloons, but the RoD's 100 penetration power, plus its amazing firerate excels at pwning grouped bloons; as of Febuary 26, 2015, a RoD can defeat infinite grouped ceramics, while the BADs is quickly overwhelmed.

      As for the tier-3 upgrades, for early game the Hydra Rockets fare very well vs. most bloons, but the laser cannon is still superior when it comes to general popping power. If you like explosions, use Hydra rockets. If you want better, all-around popping power, use Laser cannon.

      There's no way a RoD can take down a MOAB in three seconds. It does one layer of damage per frame at a rate of thirty frames per second, making thirty layers per second. In six seconds it will do 180 layers of damage, while a MOAB requires 200 to be popped. Therefore a RoD takes six and 2/3 seconds to pop a MOAB. Back on topic, Hydra Rocket Pods can easily obliterate clusters of weak bloons and are some of the few explosions that can pop black and zebra bloons. Laser Cannon also cannot pop lead bloons.


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    • lasers can pop lead if they have depleted bloontonium darts 

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    • Spamming Rays of Doom could do really well, but remember to add the BADS, too (and don't forget to add at least one maxed TOTMG, the second most powerful tower in the game [maxed TOTVM is #1 most powerful])!

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    • The Dartling Ammo Dump can also help because it allows Dartling Guns to focus their fire on one place, allowing you to focus on enhancing your defenses while the Dartling Guns do their stuff.

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    • 199.216.46.207 wrote:
      But day of doom is much more powerful due to its near infinite penetration and bloom area denial system is very bad against rushes of any kind

      if only that was true. I know someone who EVISCERATED millions of bloons using only 2/3 dartling guns, and a LOT of them at that. This person got WAY past freeplay round 100 and had to quit only because of lag. He could've gone past round 200 if that is even possible.

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    • DIDN'T YOU GUYS NOTICE THAT THE PRICE OF THE RAY OF DOOM IS EXTREEEEEEEMEEEEELY HIGH?!?!?!?!

      Of course it's much stronger than the other path...

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    • Maps wih lots of straight lines=ray of doom

      Maps with lots of curves=BADS

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