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  • Hi Anomalous. I approved your request, and I'm here to follow up with you. I just uploaded a cleaned-up version of the existing logo (removed the light gray outline). If you guys were wanting a totally new logo, let me know what you'd like.

    For the main page, let me know what you guys have in mind. For example, did you want to mostly keep what is there but just make it look better, or do you want a completely new look? For what it's worth, I think you guys have good content on the main page, but I could help make it look better, such as improve section headings to match the look of the wiki, make the "welcome" text bigger and move to top, move the featured article section to the right column to fill in all that empty space, etc.

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    • Although my reply is irrelevant, it is still about the same topic. Joe, is it possible to have a logo that is greater than 250px by 65px? PvZ wiki has a logo that is 219px by 86px.

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    • For what I had in mind, I wanted to mostly keep what is already on the main page, but just improve the look. Thanks for following up my request Joe!

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    • Generally, all help with improving the design is appreciated.

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    • @JoePlay:

      So, I think, that at least section headings can be improved.

      @all:

      I'm not sure about an overall layout, so what do you think, guys? Any ideas?

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    • Hi all. I just made some changes on the main page, so take a look. The most notable thing I did was setup new headings using a Google web font I found that's somewhat similar to the logo (thick, rounded letters). The cool thing about using a Google web font, as opposed to just making a transparent image using a custom font, is that it makes it very easy for anyone to create a new heading with the font. By inserting <verbatim>FredokaOne</verbatim> (which just embeds the contents of MediaWiki:FredokaOne) at the top of the page, it allows the font to be used anywhere on the page that you specify font-family:'Fredoka One'.

      To make a new heading, when you edit the main page (in source mode), just use this (and replace Title): <div style="font-family:'Fredoka One'; font-size:200%; font-weight:bold; text-align:center; background:#337800; color:#FAEC05; padding:7px; margin-bottom:10px; -moz-border-radius:10px; -webkit-border-radius:10px; border-radius:10px;">Title</div>

      The other main thing I did, besides moving Featured Article to the right column, is update the images in the Contents section so that they are all the same size, to make the section look better.

      P.S. @SW8573 - I tried a few simple things on my personal test wiki, but couldn't get an image larger than 250x65 to work. I also checked the PvZ Wiki's CSS and JS and didn't see anything that would affect the logo, so I have no idea how they got that logo to work.

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    • @JoePlay:

      About font, if I understand well, a link to the font family definition on fonts.googleapis.com ensures, that the font will be available, no matter what platform/browser are people using, so it is not needed to define alternative font families (like font-family: arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;). OK?

      About design, it is very nice: Layout, colors, font, I like it.

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    • Correct. Because you can't use most HTML on a wiki page, using MediaWiki:FredokaOne with the <verbatim> tag is just a workaround to insert the needed one line of HTML onto the page so that everyone who views the main page will be able to see the Fredoka One font when it's defined.

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    • @JoePlay:

      As all the headings within the main page use the same format, is it possible to use something as this on Wikia?

      <head>
      ...
        <style type="text/css">
          .special {color:#000000;
             font-size:larger;
             margin-top:0.5em;
             margin-bottom:1pt}
         </style>
      ...
      </head>
      <body>
      ...
      <p class="special"> ... </p>
      ...
      </body>
      
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    • Style Sheet definition directly in HTML documents is helpful sometimes.

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    • I tried using a custom CSS class, as seen here, to avoid having to define the format for each heading, but it didn't work. The heading didn't appear at all using that method.

      Feel free to try things yourself. Remember, it is impossible to permanently break anything on wiki, because you can undo any edit. :)

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    • Thanks so much for all your help Joe! I really appreciate it. :P

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    • Why not try this code:

      .page-Bloons_Wiki > #WikiaArticle > h2 {
          font-family:'Fredoka One';
          font-size:200%;
          font-weight: bold;
          text-align: center;
          font-weight: bold;
          background: #337800;
          color: #ffffff;
          padding: 7px;
          margin-bottom: 10px;
          -moz-border-radius: 10px;
          -webkit-border-radius: 10px;
          -o-border-radius: 10px;
          border-radius: 10px;
      }
      

      If this doesn't work, maybe try adding !important; after it.

      Note: Replace the heading formatting tags with <h2> & </h2>

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    • Hi,

      sometimes it takes a second or two to load the Fredoka One font, and before it is applied, some serif font (probably Times New Roman) appears, even if the Fredoka One is a sans-serif font family.

      Is it possible to set the alternative font to the sans-serif family globally across all our wiki, whenever the Fredoka One font is used, or do I have to define it manually on every place, where the font is used like this?

      style="font-family:'Fredoka One', sans-serif;
      

      instead of

      style="font-family:'Fredoka One';
      
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    • I don't really get what that really does more. Asking an experienced coder would be a good option.

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    • Well, I hope that JoePlay (who helped us with this improvement) has been still following this thread.

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    • Hopefully. You could contact him here if you wish to.

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    • I think that Special:Contact and/or w:Forum:Support Requests would probably be faster. Anyway, it's up to you Spike.

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    • Sure! However, there's an disadvantage of creating forums, is that they automatically archive after a while (despite hasn't been locked of editing), like people don't visit/read the forum anymore. It's best to go with both Special:Contact and the forums to be secure.

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    • Actually, I would honestly suggest a new background. I can make one by myself, which will be uploaded to this wiki and posted in the next reply (possibly) I make. If you guys would like to use it, then feel free!

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    • How's this:
      Wiki Background Suggestion

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    • Sam Wang wrote:

      How's this:

      Wiki Background Suggestion


      That's pretty nice (adapted from the BTD5 Deluxe site I think? :P) but don't forget that we are Bloons Wiki, not BTD5 wiki. We focus not only on BTD5/D but also on Bloons games from outside the BTD series, despite the fact that the majority of content on Bloons Wiki is BTD5 based. I don't know, that's just my 2 cents. What do you think Spike?

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    • It looks nice, however the picture has been damaged by Lossy data compression. It would be better if you used another software to save the image or different file format (PNG is best).

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    • This is how zoomed picture without lossy compression looks:

      PNG-example

      This is how zoomed picture damaged by lossy compression looks:

      JPG-example

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    • SW8573 wrote:
      Sam Wang wrote:

      How's this:

      Wiki Background Suggestion

      That's pretty nice (adapted from the BTD5 Deluxe site I think? :P) but don't forget that we are Bloons Wiki, not BTD5 wiki. We focus not only on BTD5/D but also on Bloons games from outside the BTD series, despite the fact that the majority of content on Bloons Wiki is BTD5 based. I don't know, that's just my 2 cents. What do you think Spike?


      When I posted my message, I haven't refreshed the window, and I didn't see the SW8573's message.

      So, I didn't think about the picture from this way, but I must agree with SW8573. We should prefer content oriented on bloons as general, not only on BTD, or even on BTD5/BTD5D.

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    • Because of Layout and navigation updates coming October 3 we should probably wait with any layout changes.

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    • Okay. How about something like this:
      Wiki Background Suggestion 2
      The reason why I didn't use PNG was because it would be too big for the size of the wiki background. Here's the PNG version:
      Wiki Background Suggestion 2

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    • Hello? Is it okay?

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    • Spike144 wrote:
      Because of Layout and navigation updates coming October 3 we should probably wait with any layout changes.

      this

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    • Okay. If it is going to be changed please let me know.

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    • This is the final design, with the right side full of bloons:
      Wiki Background Suggestion 3
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    • It's been a few weeks since the update, but I did not see any change in the background. I've did a bit of testing here, on my sandbox wiki, and with the CSS. Feel free to use the background.

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    • Hi, maybe the white middle part of the background can be a little disturbing, as it is visible since the last layout update.

      However, I don't want to be the only one, who say his opinion. We should better meet on chat together with other people who are interested, and talk about the background ideas.

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    • Okay. How I adjusted it to be like that was to be fixed to adjust to the screen on my computer. It seems fine on my one, but perhaps not yours.

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    • Seems ages after this was posted. Has this been decided or what?

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    • I wouldn't mind sticking with our original bloons background, but I have no idea what Spike and others think.

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    • Spike144 :
      Hi, maybe the white middle part of the background can be a little disturbing, as it is visible since the last layout update.

      This problem still persists.

      Also, I recently noticed that the background was copied from the Ninja Kiwi web page. We shouldn't use the same background as the Ninja Kiwi web uses, because people should know, that the Bloons Wiki is a different subject than the Ninja Kiwi.

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    • The right side of bloons aren't from the Ninja Kiwi site though. What do you mean by "maybe the white middle part of the background can be a little disturbing, as it is visible since the last layout update"? The white part isn't visible to me.

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    • This is how I see it:

      Screenshot-SamWangWiki

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    • Oh. What do you mean by "the white middle part".

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    • I mean the space around the banner above the page. There is only a white space there, and the main blue background with the black ninja kiwi birds doesn't appear there.

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    • Ah, I see. I will try my best to fill that in.

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    • Well, what should I fill the space in with?
       
      0
       
      1
       
      4
       
      0
       
      0
       
      0
       

      The poll was created at 08:45 on December 22, 2012, and so far 5 people voted.
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    • I will do a possible one at the latest Tuesday.

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    • Spike144 wrote:
      I recently noticed that the background was copied from the Ninja Kiwi web page. We shouldn't use the same background as the Ninja Kiwi web uses, because people should know, that the Bloons Wiki is a different subject than the Ninja Kiwi.

      This haven't changed.

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    • I've already replaced the right side with bloons. Perhaps we should put this up in the forums and highlight it to see what other people think.

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    • I couldn't somehow see the BTD5 iOS add which could possibly be useful for the top part. If any of you see it, please take a screenshot and upload it here, thanks.

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    • The current background is not perfect, and we can probably change it, if somebody creates a better one, but stealing a web design from another web is uncreative. The design of the background you suggested is mostly just copied from Ninja Kiwi, and furthermore, it is displayed.uncorrectly on the wiki.

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    • Well, if it's like that, then we could possibly do a request on Logo Creation Wiki. Hope the active users will help us create a suitable background.

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    • That is a good idea. Thanks.

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    • And by the way, Merry Christmas!

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    • Which background colour do you prefer? Or should I use the ninja kiwi bird tiled image as the background?

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    • Spike144 wrote: The current background is not perfect, and we can probably change it, if somebody creates a better one, but stealing a web design from another web is uncreative. The design of the background you suggested is mostly just copied from Ninja Kiwi, and furthermore, it is displayed.uncorrectly on the wiki.

      This has been fixed.

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    • It looks good. Any color or any background is better than the ninja kiwi bird tiles, because any other design is original.

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    • And, Merry Christmas

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    • You too :)

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    • What do you gentlemen think about adding the current bloons background behind the towers/bloons at w:c:samwang. Just an idea - I don't really have much of an idea what it looks like yet.

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    • Sounds pretty good. However, what I don't like about the current background is that it has the sky and grass. I recall JoePlay being extraordinarily good at making backgrounds, possibly questioning him would be a decent idea, right?

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    • Refer to thread 21727

      This looks even worse I think.

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    • It is actually cool.

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    • Which is more cool? The bloons/monkeys or the odd background?

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    • Yours

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    • I don't like the sharp border between the grass and the sky too. Maybe we can just remove the grass (and probably also the clouds)

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    • Yeah, that is actually something that really makes the current background a little bad.

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    • All I think is that the bloons are too fancy, and too colourful. It hurts a bit to look at. Maybe I can darken it a bit.

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    • Refer to thread 21727 2

      Darkened and blurred.

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    • Anyway, this. We should compare what I do and what Fandyllic does and see which one fits better and then decide.

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    • Fandyllic has made a pretty interesting background! It's worth uploading to the wiki and making a choice on which one to choose for the future background.

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    • Bloons Wiki theme
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    • I did a test on my sandbox wiki. The only problem is that it does not fade off at the left and right edges, which can be a little disturbing on big screens.

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    • I reckon if we use Fandyllic's one, possibly setting a bit of transparency on the white main bit should look good.

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    • The Fandyllic's picture looks good. I think we can use it.

      Sam Wang wrote:
      I did a test on my sandbox wiki. The only problem is that it does not fade off at the left and right edges, which can be a little disturbing on big screens.

      I'm not sure what you mean.

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    • I mean I've already tested the background on my sandbox wiki. However, it does not fade off at the left & right edges, making it not look smooth.

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    • Fandyllic has faded it off on the edges, but somehow I couldn't get it to download. To use it, on Special:ThemeDesigner set the colour to #6599ff. That would produce a prefect fade. I wouldn't recommend ticking tile but if or not to fix is optional.

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    • Bloons Wiki theme
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    • Hmm...Fandyllic's original one looked pretty good too...

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    • I mean it looks poor on bigger screens.

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    • This is what I see:

      Refer to Thread 21727 Comment 78

      You can look at the test I made on my sandbox wiki.

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    • What resolution do you use?

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    • You might as well as figured it out from the screenshot, and which I entered full screen, but anyway, it's 1920x1080. Although many people don't use a such high resolution, just use the faded picture just in case somebody does (like me).

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    • Mine is only 1368 x 768, so I don't even see the borders of the picture when it's used as a background.

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    • That's the same as my PC. Anyway, I would go for the faded out one just in case somebody has a big screen.

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    • The last version is good. We can use it, if others agree.

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    • I agree.

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    • I will post it on the forums.

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    • Shouldn't we change the main article background to white? I really hate this colour, and I think so do many other users. It will look like my sandbox wiki if changed to white, just to let ya see what it will look like.

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    • I'm pretty neutral on this, barely even notice it at all, ask the others.

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    • Okay. @The rest: what's your opinion?

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    • Sam Wang wrote:
      Shouldn't we change the main article background to white? I really hate this colour, and I think so do many other users. It will look like my sandbox wiki if changed to white, just to let ya see what it will look like.


      Well, I can't believe that many people hate the current background color. I guess that people just don't care of that, so we can surely talk about a change. Generally I don't prefer any changes, that bring us more close to the Community Central design, as it looks like we can't create our own design, but why not to test it.

      @Sam Wang:
      Please, can you copy the complete color scheme of the Bloons Wiki to your test wiki, so we can see how it looks with the white background?

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    • Current colors
      buttons
      #337700
      links
      #0146c0
      header
      #0000ff
      color
      #d4e6f6
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    • My screen is way too small to notice any difference. I can barely see the monkey's left eye (right eye from our perspective).

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    • @Spike: It's currently a white background in my sandbox wiki right now.

      BTW me and Altha chatted about this in chat and it appears that Rasengan553 wanted a green background, whilst altha decided to go with the current one. The reason why I prefer a white one is because it has a better contrast with the text, therefore easier to read.

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    • When the background color changes, then also other colors are changed, for example the background color of messages on the message wall is a mix of the background color & button color, that is why I would like to see the complete color scheme after the change.

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    • However, if others are satisfied with the current color scheme, then we can keep it.

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    • What's annoying is that for example on a thread, if I want to reply, the comment box appears to be a lighter tint of blue than the actual background.

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    • Hello?

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    • Sam Wang wrote: What's annoying is that for example on a thread, if I want to reply, the comment box appears to be a lighter tint of blue than the actual background.

      I'm not sure what you mean. Well, as I've mentioned before, my laptop's screen is small. That is the extent to which I see the background.

      Bloons Wiki SW8573
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    • If you mean this box, the box which you type into for threads, I don't really mind what tint it is, if it's light enough to see clearly, I'm happy with it.

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    • I mean it has a difference between the background and the reply box.

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    • My screen looks pretty much identical to SW's

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    • Oh. What I was explaining was that the actual background colour differs from the background colour of the comment box while selected. Also, it's slightly harder to read and doesn't produce a such strong contrast from the wiki background when it is this colour.

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    • Sam Wang wrote:
      Oh. What I was explaining was that the actual background colour differs from the background colour of the comment box while selected.

      When people write their messages, they need to know, how the message look in the question of content. They don't need to see a correct background color in the preview. Message walls are mainly about text, not about graphics.

      Sam Wang wrote:
      Also, it's slightly harder to read and doesn't produce a such strong contrast from the wiki background when it is this colour.

      The contrast between #000000 and #d4e6f6 colors is good enough.

      If you want a better contrast, then I don't understand why you use the #727a80 color for the text on your user page. The difference between the #000000 (standard black text) and #727a80 (your text) colors affects the contrast much more then the difference between #ffffff (white background) and #d4e6f6 (current background).

      Also, you suggested a transparent background for the wiki several weeks ago, which would affect the contrast and the readability only in a negative way.

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    • Okay then. BTW sorry if this hurts whoever's feelings, but honestly I really hate this colour, and hating it even more and more as time passes by.

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    • A Bloons Wiki contributor
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