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Upgraded weapons. Also automatically calls in 3 more Comanches. Permanently.
~ In-game description

The Comanche Commander (sometimes shortened to simply Comanche or Comcom) is the Tier 5 upgrade for Path 3 for the Heli Pilot in Bloons TD 6. It permanently calls in 3 powerful mini-Comanche helicopters with improved damage for all attacks. The mini helicopters will initially spawn under the main helicopter. The main Comanche's darts deals 3 damage with 3 pierce, while the mini-Comanches' darts deal 3 damage with 4 pierce. Main missiles deal 15 damage plus +2 to Ceramics and +8 to MOAB-class bloons, whereas the mini-Comanche missiles deal 15 damage plus +10 to Ceramics but no bonus to MOAB-class bloons. Main helicopters missiles have 30 pierce while mini-Comanche missiles have 60 pierce. The main helicopter's movement speed increases by 25%, now traveling at 50 units/second.

Due to the mini helicopters being considered sub-towers, they do not receive targeted buffs, such as from Alchemist or Overclock.

This upgrade costs $29,750 on Easy, $35,000 on Medium, $37,800 on Hard, and $42,000 on Impoppable. If this tower is nearby Level 6+ Rosalia's workshop, this upgrade costs $??? on Easy, $??? on Medium, $??? on Hard, and $??? on Impoppable.

Description[]

Overview[]

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Comanche Commander

As its name suggests, the Comanche Commander is based on the RAH-66 stealth helicopter, outfitted with desert tan camouflage, green chevron wing emblems, and yellow stripes on its blades. The mini-helicopters are similar, but do not have wing emblems.

Mini-Comanche helicopters are now permanently summoned, and all helicopters have greatly improved overall DPS. All darts from the main helicopter and mini-Comanches deal 3 damage, while otherwise maintaining the statistics from the previous Comanche Defense ugprade. The missiles from the main helicopter gain a massive damage bonus to its base damage and MOAB-class damage, while the mini-Comanche missiles gain similar base damage bonuses but massively improve Ceramic damage instead.

Targeting Priorities[]

Comanche Commander utilizes touch-based mobility and self-mobility to move around the screen with different flight targetings. Its main attack shoots straight movement projectiles, which originate from the Heli Pilot with its independent range like an ordinary tower.

  • Follow Touch / Follow Mouse: Moves to where the player taps. On desktop versions, Follow Touch instead becomes Follow Mouse, which will make the Heli Pilot move to wherever the cursor is currently at.
  • Lock In Place: Stops the Heli Pilot where it is when the Target Priority is selected. Can be adjusted to choose a different locked location.
  • Patrol: Patrols between two spots chosen by the player. Can be adjusted to choose different points.
  • Pursuit: Equivalent to the target priority First, except the Heli Pilot will follow in front of the bloons while shooting them. It is unlocked with the purchase of the second upgrade on the first path, with the same name as the target priority. Once upgraded to the respective upgrade, it automatically switches to this target priority.

Both the Heli Pilot's main attacks and mini-Comanches always default on First based on the range of the helicopters' weaponry. The shove effect is locked on Close.

Mini-Comanches are always set to the same flight option as the parent Comanche. They will behave in the following manner if set to a particular flight targeting:

  • Follow Touch / Follow Mouse: Moves to where the player taps. On desktop versions, Follow Touch instead becomes Follow Mouse, which will make the mini-Comanches move to wherever the cursor is currently at. If no cursor/touch is involved, the mini-Comanches stay underneath where the parent Comanche is.
  • Lock In Place: Stops the mini-Comanches where it is when the Target Priority is selected. Can be adjusted to choose a different locked location. Will always travel towards the locked location.
  • Patrol: Patrols between two spots chosen by the player. Can be adjusted to choose different points. Will always travel between two spots.
  • Pursuit: Equivalent to the target priority First, except the mini-Comanches will follow in front of the bloons while shooting them. It is unlocked with the purchase of the second upgrade on the first path, with the same name as the target priority.

Costs[]

Updated as of Version 43.0. Listed prices exclude external buffs, any sacrifices, and Monkey Knowledge.
[Module | Data] Purchase Sell
Costs Easy Medium Hard Impoppable Easy Medium Hard Impoppable
Upgrade (X-X-5) $29,750 $35,000 $37,800 $42,000 -
Total (0-0-5) $41,390 $48,700 $52,600 $58,440 $28,973 $34,090 $36,820 $40,908
Crosspath (1-0-5) $42,070 $49,500 $53,465 $59,400 $29,449 $34,650 $37,426 $41,580
Crosspath (2-0-5) $42,495 $50,000 $54,005 $60,000 $29,747 $35,000 $37,804 $42,000
Crosspath (0-1-5) $41,645 $49,000 $52,925 $58,800 $29,152 $34,300 $37,048 $41,160
Crosspath (0-2-5) $42,155 $49,600 $53,575 $59,520 $29,509 $34,720 $37,503 $41,664

This upgrade's prices (or included crosspath's prices) are affected by the following MK: MilitaryConscriptionIcon Military Conscription, AdvancedLogisticsIcon Advanced Logistics, BetterSellDealsIcon Better Sell Deals

Strategy[]

Summary[]

Comanche Commander was once one of the strongest towers in the game via exploiting game-breaking bugs related to Alchemist buffs. While it has fallen in line and saw a period of horrid viability after bug fixes, it has since been recognized as a usable tower due to its synergy with Gwendolin, Pat Fusty, and Geraldo, allowing Comanche Commander to be a sort of budget alternative of Apache Prime, being much cheaper while doing comparable damage output.

Compared to an Apache Prime, there are significant differences that define their usage and viability.

Transition from Tier 4 Upgrade[]

In spite of Comanche Commander being close to $20k cheaper to afford, its Tier 4 upgrade (Comanche Defense) is highly underpowered for its price, even when backed up by its regular sets of incoming mini-Comanches, and requires more support as a consequence. Conversely, Apache Dartship is able to solo up to the early 80s, doing more to allow Apache Prime to be afforded if planned properly. However, Apache Dartship can be easily overwhelmed in early 80s rounds due to the high amount of super ceramics and, while somewhat minor, cannot knockback blimps, while Comanche Commander can be afforded some time before Apache Prime and benefits more from support.

Projectiles vs Damage[]

The reason Comanche Commander benefits so much from support like the aforementioned Heroes, in addition to bloon debuffs (especially Glue Strike, Glue Storm, Embrittlement, and Super Brittle) is because it fires many more projectiles than Apache Prime and has lower base damage and pierce. As a result, Comanche Commander does a considerably increased amount of damage with flat damage bonuses or pierce bonuses active.

Additional Tips[]

  • As of update 12.0, the mini-helicopters can no longer inherit Alchemist or Overclock buffs of any form, including from Permanent Brew or Ultraboost.
  • Both the darts and the missiles cannot pop DDTs alone. As such, the tower should be supported with a Monkey Intelligence Bureau or other forms of Lead/Camo popping if it is the main damage tower.
    • It is much more valuable in the long-run to provide the Comanche Commander external camo detection and upgrade the Comanche Commander to 2-0-5 than it is to purchase simply 0-2-5, as the faster moving from Bigger Jets is not nearly as useful as the extra 2 darts fired by the mini-helicopters granted by Quad Darts.
  • Setting the parent helicopter to any targeting system will affect the mini-helicopters.
  • Glue Storm is an excellent pair with Comanche Commander, to maximize extra damage from each of the rapid-fire darts and stop Lead properties from visible DDTs.

Version History[]

Balance Changes[]

While functionally has not been nerfed in most updates, Comanche Commander was indirectly nerfed by a series of bug fixes. In early versions of the game, Comanche Commander was considered overpowered by players until Version 12.0 because of various exploitable bugs when interacting with Alchemists. Later on, Comanche Commander received a few minor quality-of-life buffs to make it more useful, alongside large buffs that focus on the base damage of the Comanche and its mini-Comanches.

Comanche Commander has seen resurgence in popularity after its high synergies with Geraldo's buffs, particularly Sharpening Stone, in addition to Glue Storm's bloon debuffs and anti-Lead. While it did get buffed to have greater base stats, its synergies were nerfed and additionally had a reverted price buff. Version 42.0 realized the incredible buffability of Comanche Commander, and Version 43.0 soon reworked the Comanche Commander to be less reliant on external buffs.

5.0
  • NERF Comanche Commander's mini-helicopters will no longer gain the same bonus stat (attack speed, damage, range, etc.) multiple times from Alchemists (?). Other buffs still stacked.
6.0
  • NERF Comanche Commander's viability, when used conventionally, is greatly reduced by the Alchemist nerf. However, an exploit exists where moving the main Heli such that it cannot attack gives the mini-helicopters 100% uptime on Alchemist buffs, both Berserker Brew and Acidic Mixture Dip.
8.0
  • NERF Comanche Commander's mini-helicopters will now (correctly) deduct Alchemist potions usages. However, the same exploit still allows Acidic Mixture Dip to have 100% uptime on the mini-helicopters, maintaining some of the tower's viability.
10.0
  • NERF Comanche Commander's mini-helicopters will now correctly deduct Acidic Mixture Dip as well.
12.0
  • NERF Comanche Commander's mini-comanches are no longer affected by Alchemist buffs or newly introduced Overclock.
  • NERF They also no longer gain the same bonus stat (attack speed, damage, range, etc.) multiple times from non-Alchemist sources such as Pat's Rallying Roar, Call To Arms or Jungle Drums.
  • NERF Comanche Commander's mini-comanches do not gain camo detection whenever paired with an x2x village when placed in a certain order.
14.0
  • BUFF Comanche Commander's mini-comanches now always gain camo detection whenever paired with an x2x village.
18.0
  • BUFF 0-2-5 Comanche Defense will also apply increased flight speed to spawned Comanche (carried over from 0-2-4).
  • BUFF x-x-5 Mini Comanche will load in under the main Commander when loading a save instead of at the edge of the screen.
28.0
[...] MOAB Shove has had a missile attack similar to xx4's mini comanches added to provide this path something extra for when the mini comanche are not active.
~ Ninja Kiwi, referring to MOAB Shove and Comanche Defense
  • BUFF Comanche Commander main helicopter gains a 'mini heli missile' attack with pierce 30 and damage 3, and +2 damage to Ceramics and above. Strangely not affected by +1 damage that Comanche Commander usually receives.
30.0
Comanche Defense mostly suffered during downtime and so the base Heli at T4 has had some general improvements made to power, but the mini helis have also gained a pierce increase to provide the darts with some improved crowd control
~ Ninja Kiwi, referring to Comanche Defense
  • BUFF Comanche Commander main heli missile attack cooldown decreased 3s -> 1s
  • BUFF Comanche Commander main heli dart damage increased 2 -> 3
  • BUFF Comanche Commander mini heli pierce increased 3 -> 4
33.0
[...] Downdraft has more general use throughout the game and scales better than the more expensive MOAB Shove upgrade though they both see use, so the price of these upgrades has been swapped around. Faster Darts xx1 upgrade will now increase the attack distance of Heli Dart attacks in order to assist with cluttering issues where large numbers of Helis will push each other away from nearby targets.
~ Ninja Kiwi, referring to Path 3 balance
  • BUFF Comanche Commander now increases both main helicopter and mini helicopter range of its dart attacks by +30%
35.0
ComCom is both lacking in pierce damage, and favors the 105 crosspath more than we’d like. This goal for this change is to improve the overall single target power for the missile AoE without such a high pierce number, with only a smaller damage buff for the main darts so existing pierce benefits that can be applied for the main attack remain valuable
~ Ninja Kiwi, referring to Comanche Commander
  • NERF Comanche Commander missile pierce reduced from 100 → 80
  • BUFF Comanche Commander dart damage 3 → 4
  • BUFF Comanche Commander missile damage 3 → 7
  • BUFF Comanche Commander missile MOAB-class damage bonus +2 → +5
  • BUFF Comanche Commander mini's missile damage 2 → 5
  • BUFF Comanche Commander mini's missile MOAB-class damage bonus +2 → +5
37.0
[...] Pushing some higher values on the last Comanche Commander changes as the missile attack is effectively such a small portion of the tower’s total damage late game.
~ Ninja Kiwi
  • Change Comanche Commander's mini Comanches now follow the target priority on Main Comanche instead of always Pursuit
  • BUFF Comanche Commander main missile damage increased 7 → 15
  • BUFF Comanche Commander main missile MOAB-class damage bonus increased +5 → +8
  • BUFF Comanche Commander mini's missile damage increased 5 → 15
  • BUFF Comanche Commander mini's missile MOAB-class damage bonus increased +5 → +8
39.0
While the state of Comanche Defense has come a good way, xx5 still feels too expensive for what it offers.
~ Ninja Kiwi
  • BUFF Comanche Commander price reduced ($35,000 → $32,000)
42.0
[...] Comanche Commander’s value soared recently with buffs along with the recent Geraldo subtowers bugfix which solidified it as a strong lategame dps, and given the powerful synergies right now the current price feels far too low for what is now a solid pick for any map; we feel this may not be enough of a nerf but wish to hold off until v43 for further changes to be considered with this synergy.
~ Ninja Kiwi, referring to Comanche Commander
  • NERF Comanche Commander price increased from $32,000 to $35,000
43.0
Overall Comanche cleanup and stats shuffle; with the goal of improving baseline non-buffed performance and making it less demanding of Geraldo’s Pickle for high damage.
~ Ninja Kiwi
  • NERF Comanche Commander mini's attack cooldown increased from 0.151848s to 0.228s.
  • BUFF Comanche Commander mini heli dart damage increased from 2 to 3
  • NERF Comanche Commander mini's missile pierce from 80 to 60
  • BUFF Comanche Commander mini's missile ceramic bonus increased from +2 to +10
  • NERF Comanche Commander mini's missile no longer gains +8 MOAB-class damage

Bug Fixes and General Changes[]

Extra Notes (Version History)[]

Gallery[]

Official artwork[]

Trivia[]

  • There was a bug where the mini-helicopters cannot detect Camo by a Radar Scanner unless one sells and rebuys the Radar Scanner again.
  • During the Version 6.0 Alchemist nerfs, Comanche Commander used to be remained unaffected by the nerf if the Comanche Commander main helicopter was locked in place in a corner away from the track.
  • Contrary to popular belief, the "upgraded weapons" initially only gave extra damage to darts but not missiles. This is no longer the case since Version 35.0, as all missiles gain a significant damage bonus with the Comanche Commander upgrade.
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