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Upgraded weapons. Also automatically calls in 3 more Comanches. Permanently.
~ In-game description

The Comanche Commander (sometimes shortened to simply Comanche or Comcom) is the Tier 5 upgrade for Path 3 for the Heli Pilot in Bloons TD 6. It permanently calls in 3 powerful mini-Comanche helicopters. All Comanche Commander helicopters, including the parent helicopter gain +1 damage for all dart attacks, 2 damage for mini-Comanches and 3 damage for main helicopter. The mini helicopters will initially spawn under the main helicopter. Due to the mini helicopters being considered sub-towers, they do not receive Alchemist or Overclock buffs. The main helicopter's movement speed increases by 25%, now traveling at 50 units/second.

This upgrade costs $29,750 on Easy, $35,000 on Medium, $37,800 on Hard, and $42,000 on Impoppable.

Description[]

Appearance[]

As its name suggests, the Comanche Commander is based on the RAH-66 stealth helicopter, outfitted with desert tan camouflage, green chevron wing emblems, and yellow stripes on its blades. The mini-helicopters are similar, but do not have wing emblems.

Full Popology[]

Statistics[]

TBA

Damage Types[]

TBA

Costs[]

Updated as of Version 32.0. Listed prices exclude external buffs, any sacrifices, and Monkey Knowledge.
Purchase Sell
Costs Easy Medium Hard Impoppable Easy Medium Hard Impoppable
Upgrade (X-X-5) $29,750 $35,000 $37,800 $42,000 -
Total (0-0-5) $41,815 $49,200 $53,140 $59,040 $29,271 $34,440 $37,198 $41,328
Crosspath (1-0-5) $42,495 $50,000 $54,005 $60,000 $29,747 $35,000 $37,804 $42,000
Crosspath (2-0-5) $42,920 $50,500 $54,545 $60,600 $30,044 $35,350 $38,182 $42,420
Crosspath (0-1-5) $42,070 $49,500 $53,465 $59,400 $29,449 $34,650 $37,426 $41,580
Crosspath (0-2-5) $42,580 $50,100 $54,115 $60,120 $29,806 $35,070 $37,881 $42,084

This upgrade's prices (or included crosspath's prices) are affected by the following MK: MilitaryConscriptionIcon.png Military Conscription, AdvancedLogisticsIcon.png Advanced Logistics, BetterSellDealsIcon.png Better Sell Deals

Strategy[]

Summary[]

Comanche Commander was once one of the strongest towers in the game, by exploiting game-breaking bugs related to Alchemist buffs. While it has fallen in favor after bug fixes, it has recently become recognized as a borderline usable tower due to its synergy with Gwendolin or Pat Fusty. Also, the mini helis are directly benefited by towers capable of inflicting bloon debuffs such as Super Brittle and Glue Strike. But recently, with Geraldo, Comanche Commander can be a budget alternative of Apache Prime, being much cheaper while still dealing comparable or sometimes better damage output.

Compared to an Apache Prime, there are significant differences that define their usage and viability.

Transition from Tier 4 Upgrade[]

In spite of Comanche Commander being close to $20k cheaper to afford, its Tier 4 upgrade (Comanche Defense) is highly underpowered for its price, even when backed up by its regular sets of incoming mini-Comanches. Conversely, Apache Dartship is able to solo up to the early 80s, which excluding Impoppable prices with no farming, allows Apache Prime to be easily afforded if planned properly. However, Apache Dartship can be easily overwhelmed in early 80s rounds due to the high amount of super ceramics, while Comanche Commander can easily be afforded in round 70s or round 80 and Comanche Defense can do comparable amount of damage output compare to Apache Dartship with proper buffing.

Projectiles vs Damage[]

Due to the nature of Comanche being inherently weak, it also heavily relies on a hero to buff itself. This is restricted to Pat, Gwendolin, or Geraldo. On the other hand, Apache is much more flexible, being able to choose almost any hero depending on the strategy.

Additional Tips[]

  • As of update 12.0, the mini-helicopters can no longer inherit Alchemist or Overclock buffs of any form, including from Permanent Brew or Ultraboost.
  • The main helicopter is not much stronger than an x-x-2 helicopter in terms of damage, and as such the mini-helis form the majority of the tower's total damage output.
  • Both the darts and the missiles cannot pop DDTs alone. As such, the tower should be supported with a Monkey Intelligence Bureau if it is the main damage tower.
  • It is much more valuable in the long-run to provide the Comanche Commander external camo detection and upgrade the Comanche Commander to 2-0-5 than it is to purchase simply 0-2-5, as the faster moving from Bigger Jets is not nearly as useful as the extra 2 darts fired by the mini-helicopters granted by Quad Darts.
  • Setting the parent helicopter to any targeting system will not affect the mini-helicopters; they will always be on Pursuit targeting, even if the upgrade is not purchased.
  • Avoid using Comanche Commander on multi-lane maps, as its DPS suffers when the mini-Comanche's pursuit targeting may cause it to prioritize lesser dangers.

Version History[]

While functionally has not been nerfed in history, Comanche Commander was indirectly nerfed by a series of bug fixes. In early versions of the game, Comanche Commander was considered overpowered by players until Version 12.0 because of various exploitable bugs when interacting with Alchemists. Later on, Comanche Commander received a few minor quality-of-life buffs to make it more useful.

5.0
  • Nerf Comanche Commander's mini-helicopters will no longer gain the same bonus stat (attack speed, damage, range, etc.) multiple times from Alchemists (?). Other buffs still stacked.
6.0
  • Nerf Comanche Commander's viability, when used conventionally, is greatly reduced by the Alchemist nerf. However, an exploit exists where moving the main Heli such that it cannot attack gives the mini-helicopters 100% uptime on Alchemist buffs, both Berserker Brew and Acidic Mixture Dip.
8.0
  • Nerf Comanche Commander's mini-helicopters will now (correctly) deduct Alchemist potions usages. However, the same exploit still allows Acidic Mixture Dip to have 100% uptime on the mini-helicopters, maintaining some of the tower's viability.
10.0
  • Nerf Comanche Commander's mini-helicopters will now correctly deduct Acidic Mixture Dip as well.
12.0
  • Nerf Comanche Commander's mini-comanches are no longer affected by Alchemist buffs or newly introduced Overclock.
  • Nerf They also no longer gain the same bonus stat (attack speed, damage, range, etc.) multiple times from non-Alchemist sources such as Pat's Rallying Roar, Call To Arms or Jungle Drums.
  • Nerf Comanche Commander's mini-comanches do not gain camo detection whenever paired with an x2x village when placed in a certain order.
14.0
  • Buff Comanche Commander's mini-comanches now always gain camo detection whenever paired with an x2x village.
18.0
  • Buff 0-2-5 Comanche Defense will also apply increased flight speed to spawned Comanche (carried over from 0-2-4).
  • Buff x-x-5 Mini Comanche will load in under the main Commander when loading a save instead of at the edge of the screen.
28.0
[...] MOAB Shove has had a missile attack similar to xx4's mini comanches added to provide this path something extra for when the mini comanche are not active.
~ Ninja Kiwi, referring to MOAB Shove and Comanche Defense
  • Buff Comanche Commander main helicopter gains a 'mini heli missile' attack with pierce 30 and damage 3, and +2 damage to Ceramics and above. Strangely not affected by +1 damage that Comanche Commander usually receives.
30.0
Comanche Defense mostly suffered during downtime and so the base Heli at T4 has had some general improvements made to power, but the mini helis have also gained a pierce increase to provide the darts with some improved crowd control
~ Ninja Kiwi, referring to Comanche Defense
  • Buff Comanche Commander main heli missile attack cooldown decreased 3s -> 1s
  • Buff Comanche Commander main heli dart damage increased 2 -> 3
  • Buff Comanche Commander mini heli pierce increased 3 -> 4

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Trivia[]

  • There was a bug where the mini-helicopters cannot detect Camo by a Radar Scanner unless one sells and rebuys the Radar Scanner again.
  • During the Version 6.0 Alchemist nerfs, Comanche Commander used to be remained unaffected by the nerf if the Comanche Commander main helicopter was locked in place in a corner away from the track.
  • Contrary to popular belief, the "upgraded weapons" only give extra damage to darts but not missiles.
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