Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-66.31.73.87-20121218234726/@comment-6728311-20130531194026

96.48.20.71 wrote: BloonsMaster wrote: AlthaBlade wrote: BloonsMaster wrote: AlthaBlade wrote: BloonsMaster wrote: AlthaBlade wrote: BloonsMaster wrote: Ring of Fire. Expensive but if placed in packs can be very effective against MOAB-Class bloons Sorry to say this but that is very wrong. RoFs shoot out only a single blast of fire at a time, while Tack Sprayers shoot sixteen at a time. Although RoFs shoot significantly faster, it is incomparable even to a 1/2-0 tack shooter since one of those well placed can still at least put in twice as many tacks as the RoFs. They are great against low level bloon packs since it has infinite popping power but it is ineffective bloons not so far behind ceramics and virtually useless against ceramics and MOAB Class bloons. An upgrade like the tack sprayer for instance (which for some reason happens to be the one before the RoF) shoots 16 projectiles at once.

tl;dr The Ring of Fire shoots only one 'projectile' at a time while the other upgrades shoot 8 or 16. Ring of Fire pops ALL bloons in its burst radius. Its better than tack sprayer (why do you think its a tier 4 upgrade). At normal bloons, tack sprayer sucks. Its only good for fast bloons and MOABs I was only replying there for pointing out the fact that Ring of Fires are pretty much useless against MOAB class bloons, check the original quote of yours here:

"Ring of Fire. Expensive but if placed in packs can be very effective against MOAB-Class bloons"

As for the whole Ring of Fire debate in general this is just my opinion:

The Ring of Fire is by far the worst tier 4 upgrade in terms of economy and how much money people generally make ingame to buy that upgrade. Tier 4 upgrades normally bring a large advantage in the later rounds but the Ring Of Fire seems to be the only one not offering that. For example, the Juggernaut, the cheapest tier 4 upgrade out there can destroy half of an entire ceramic shell for a fairly good price, maybe only a few of these can make even round 63 not too hard. They can also pop leads, frozens and camos and their max pop count is somewhere around 100. Even something as subtle as the Absolute Zero and Glue Striker may have a much larger potential than what is really been seen nowadays.

Anyway moving onwards,

"Ring of Fire pops ALL bloons in its burst radius"

Believe it or not, that is false (as for BTD5 online and BTD5D), it actually has a limit to what it can pop, I have tested this numerous times and all results say that that is false. It probably has a very high pop cap like the Juggernaut but it does have one.

"Its better than tack sprayer (why do you think its a tier 4 upgrade)"

It may be better than the tack sprayer in certain respects like the pop limit and fire rate but economically in general, the tack sprayer easily prevails. The Ring of Fire is simply too weak for its price and most definitely needs a buff IMO. It's pretty much the only tier 4 upgrade that I really object to.

"At normal bloons, tack sprayer sucks."

Tack sprayers are one of the most economically powerful towers in the entire game, they may not be as good in some respects to the ring of fire but they still excel the normal bloons.

"Its only good for fast bloons and MOABs"

Although against my argument, RoFs and Tack Sprayers are both effective against fast bloons (still can vary on the situation).

As for the MOAB part, that's the opposite of what you said before. What i'm saying here is that Ring of Fire instantly destroys rushes while tack sprayer is horrible at rushes. Although the Ring of Fire is better at general low-level bloon popping, the Tack Sprayer is still very effective at doing so for its cheap price. Also, after some more testing, sometimes the Ring of Fire can't seem to pop pre-ceramic bloons too well (especially in large numers) as well as the fact that it has a pop cap so that's kinda why I like to stick with Tack Sprayer :P But if you still like the Ring of Fire then I won't object to your own opinion, I guess it's good in its own ways although I still personally think it might need a bit of a buff :P I do agree it needs a buff, like infinite pop count or possibly extra damage to white bloons (pops more layers on them?). No one mentioned blades here. Blade maelstorm kills round 63 with a juggernaut to pop the ceramics.