Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-6016076-20140719100312/@comment-6016076-20140721195147

I just killed a BFB BTD5 beginner ice level sandbox: 63 spike piles + 7 pineapples required, which adds up perfectly to 700. The BFB MUST have 700 health.

Also, 3164 * 4 = 12656

which leaves the ZOMG with a nice 4k hp. Since I showed above the ZOMG has between 3961 and 4077 health, proving the MOAB assassin deals reduced damage to around 750, we have three possible scenarios:

1. The MOAB assassin deals a nice 750 damage and the ZOMG has this weird health of 3996,  Your results miscounted a spike pile by one.

2. The MOAB assassin deals a very strange 750.2 damage and the ZOMG also has a weird health of 3986.

3. As shown above, the ZOMG has 4k health, and the MOAB assassin does not deal 750 damage, in which case your results are wrong and mine may be off by a small amount.

For example, I reported 366 spike piles + 4 spikes on the ground that I could see. If I miscounted, and the actual number of piles were 363, then 363 * 11 + 7 = 4k hp and exactly 4 spikes are left on the ground, as I believe I observed. It's perfect.

In that case, assuming your numbers are correct, the MOAB Assassin would have dealt 753 damage per hit. Not so perfect.

753 isn't a nice rounded number, but at least it's an integer. And if we assume it's true, then *everything else* very conveniently falls into place. We'd have:

MOAB - RBE 616. Subtract 4 ceramics = 200 health

BFB - RBE 3164. Subtract 4 MOABS = 700 health

ZOMG - RBE 16656. Subtract 4 BFBs = 4000 health

DDT I am not sure on.

These numbers are almost too convenient to be wrong.

At any rate, in BTD5, all the balloons would have a very sensible integer health number *and* be consistent with their RBE counts. The only assumption to be made is that MOAB assassin deals to ZOMG 753 damage, which isn't a pretty number.

The most conclusive way now is to more exactly test the ZOMG for 4k hp with spikes and pineapples and to maybe double check the BFB RBE count somehow...

Edit: Just tested MOAB with spikes and pineapples - '''200 health exactly. '''

So now we have a certain 200 health for MOAB and a certain 700 health for BFB. Both are seemingly RBE count consistent like all the other bloons in the game. I have to think the chances of ZOMG having 4k hp are very high.

You know, maybe successive MOAB assassins simply deal reduced damage with each shot, then it may not have a weird number like 753. You'd have to test by firing one, killing with spikes; two, killing with spikes; and so forth, which is pretty tedious if anyone cared... Edit 2: nm this doesn't make sense either because you'd end up with 4 MOAB assassins somehow dealing 2765 which can't form a better integer than 753, so it's probably not the case.